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Kay Ragsdale talks about playing 15 flutes in The Lion King

by James Bash on June 28, 2010

Flutist Kay Ragsdale plays 15 different flutes for The Lion King, which is currently playing at the Keller Auditorium through July 11th. She must be one of very few people in the entire nation who makes her living with such a variety of flutes. To find out more about her work, I talked with her on Friday and peppered her with questions.

How long have you been performing in The Lion King?

Ragsdale: I am an original member of this company; so I’ve been playing in this production for eight years. We just did performance number 3,300.

Wow! That’s got to be almost like a permanent employment gig!

Ragsdale: Yes, it’s like a dream come true for most instrumentalists

Since you’ve played the Lion King so much, could you play the show blindfolded?

Ragsdale: Absolutely not! Every performance is brand new. It’s like opening night. It’s like you’ve never done it before. You really cannot take this for granted. I play 15 flute in the show, and I cannot assume anything. It’s a lot like having 15 children. I hope that they all behave for the company – 2,000 of my best friends – that have come to see us. The instrument that I worry about that night is, of course, the one that behaves, and the one that I didn’t worry about misbehaves.

Why do you need 15 flutes?

Ragsdale: Each flute represents a different character on stage. I’ve got some vertical flutes. You should know that flutes can be vertical or horizontal, and I play flutes for this show that come from around the world. So in addition to the Western flute and piccolo that I play primarily on the Elton John tunes, I play flutes from Ecuador, India, China, Ireland, Germany, the Czech Republic – they are from all over the world.

Simba has his own flute. He has the inline pan pipes. I use a tiny set when Simba is a young cub, and then a bigger set for when he is older in Act II as a teenager. Nala is similar. She has a little tiny Chinese D’tzi. It is the size of your toothbrush. Its bore is the size of pencil lead. As Nala gets older in the second act, she gets a larger flute to represent how she has aged. Rafiki has a flute that you hear.

There’s a big flute that is a bansuri from India. It’s one of the largest of the transverse flutes. It is equal to our Western alto flute. But unlike Western flutes that have key extensions that can cover holes, the bansuri is keyless; so the distance between some of the holes is gigantic. So, it’s a challenging instrument to play. They have that very deep, low sound and represent the character of Mufasa.

Mufasa’s brother Scar has one of the largest flutes from the pan-pipe family. This one comes from Ecuador. It is called a poyo. It’s over five feet high; so you have to stand up to play it. It’s a South American style of pan pipe with two rows, instead of one single row that you find in Europe. In addition, for Scar, the style of music is different; so his character is quite distinct.

The Chinese D’tzi have an additional hole between the embouchure hole and the first finger hole. Over that additional hole you apply a membrane, which is actually the interior lining of a bamboo plant. This creates the sound of a kazoo, which a very traditional sound for China and other mainland Asian countries. It’s great for the jungle scenes for the birds.

It sounds like you are very busy throughout the entire show.

Ragsdale: Right; there’s no down time for me in the show. When one tune ends, I have to switch instruments for the next set. I have a music stand that has four trays attached to it, so that I can put all of my horizontal flutes of the trays. I have the organized; so I know exactly where each one is.

I have four sets of pan pipes, in addition to the two Simba pan pipes. There’s one set for the hyenas. I have them arranged on collapsible dish drainers. I also have another floor stand on which I can put flutes. If I can’t get to the poyo in time, then I’ve disassembled another one of my poyos so that I can pit up just the notes that I need.

On my lap, I keep two towels. I’ve arranged the flutes that I need for the next seven scenes so that they can warm up to body temperature.

Each instrument has wood or bamboo from different area of the globe; so they cool down and warm up at different rates. I have to be careful so that they don’t crack. Cold air in a bamboo tube will hasten cracking.

I spent an incredible amount of time in preparation – much of it for the choreography of how to turn the page of music and pick up the right instrument.

If you are sick, and the show has to hire someone as a replacement; wouldn’t that person freak out when they see all of these flutes?

Ragsdale: If I need a replacement for the evening, we make sure that we call someone who has done the show in the past. We have a company in New York for that purpose. There used to be two touring companies doing the Lion King; so there are a couple of other players who can fill in.

I enjoy showing these flutes to flute players around the country. Most regular American flute players don’t know that these flutes exist. One of my missions is to invite other flutist to see this collection.

Do you own all of these flutes that you use in the show?

Ragsdale: Yes, I do own these instruments. And Disney has purchased a backup set of instruments that I can use just in case something breaks. I keep the backups with me in the orchestra pit; so that I can pick up a backup in case I’ve got a critical problem.

I do all of my own repairs as well. I have to oil these instruments, and sometimes the oil is very specific. The bamboo instruments require oil that is indigenous to the area where the bamboo grew. I use a different oil on the Indian flutes, and another type of oil for the Chinese flutes, and so on.

I also spend a lot of time playing these instruments. You have to play the backups to get them ready for the show. If you don’t play them, then they will crack. Especially when you are in a tour like this one, you have to be right on top of the instruments. We traveled from Alaska to San Diego, for example. That’s two really different climates that can affect the flutes.

For me the best character in the show is the audience. It’s great to listen to the reaction of the audience to the music!

What is your background and training?

Ragsdale: I did my undergraduate degree at Indiana University and my masters in flute performance at Northwestern University. Then I played with the Chicago Civic Orchestra, and became an extra – a substitute in the Chicago Symphony for about 12 years. I was also a freelancer with the Grant Park Orchestra and the Chicago Lyric Opera Orchestra. I started to play the mega-musicals in 1989 – when Les Misérables came to Chicago and Phantom of the Opera and Miss Saigon.  I was able to continue on with Miss Saigon on its first national tour, played it on Broadway, then went on the second national tour.

I saw The Lion King the night that Princess Diana died. It was in the pre-Broadway try out in Minneapolis. I talked my way into a sold out show by purchasing a full-price ticket for an obstructed-view seat. It was right behind a pole. I stood during the entire show, and thought that this was the greatest thing I had ever seen, and hands down the best flute part I had ever heard.

The next night, I got to sit in the orchestra pit, and I sat way in the back, but I could see the flute player picking up one different flute after another, and I thought that this is for me! I went to New York to audition for the part. Then I had to wait three years to find out if I got the part. In the meantime, I got the part to play in Les Misérables on Broadway. Then 9/11 happened and Les Misérables closed. But I got a call for The Lion King!

Fortune strikes again!

Ragsdale: So the moral is never give up! I’m the luckiest person in the world. I’ve got the best job in the show!



5 Responses to “Kay Ragsdale talks about playing 15 flutes in The Lion King”

  1. David Heger David Heger says:

    Hello James,
    thank you for nice article. I was very pleased when I found it because I am Pan flute builder from Czech Republic and my flute is used in the Lion King show. Even more it is displayed in article photo. I would like to ask you for permission to use the photo on my website http://www.1panflute.com Can I? Thank you.
    David Heger

  2. jbash James Bash says:

    Hi David,

    Congrats on pan flutes! I got the photo from Portland Opera. You would have to ask them. Talk to Julia Sheridan.

    - James

  3. Nice interview!
    I just spent an hour with Kay backstage before the matinee looking at flutes and listening to her enthusiastic explanations of many of her experiences learning to play them. I was fortunate to be asked to sit in the pit and watch her prepare the flutes to perform. I hope it works out before the show leaves on Sunday.
    What a lovely person behind all that accomplishment. As a flutist I can say that learning to play all those flutes with different fingerings and tunings seems nearly unthinkable.
    Sharon

  4. Beth Dzodin-Fuchs Beth Dzodin-Fuchs says:

    Beautiful article!
    Kate was so kind to visit our performing arts school in Detroit, Michigan and speak to over 300 students regarding her experience playing 15 flutes in the production of “The Lion King” We really enjoyed her! I am newly retired from teaching in Detroit Public Schools. Her visit was certainly a highlight in my teaching career as drama teacher. Besides being a true professional she was a truly a kind person. Kate, thanks for the inspiration.
    Beth


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jbash James Bash

James Bash writes articles for a variety of publications, including magazines such as Opera America, Open Spaces, Opera, MUSO, International Arts Manager, American Record Guide, Symphony, Opera Canada, and PSU Magazine. The newspapers include Crosscut, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, The Oregonian, The Columbian, The Portland Tribune, The Register-Guard, and Willamette Week. James has also written a number of articles for the Oregon Arts Commission. James was a fellow to the 2008 NEA Journalism Institute for Classical Music and Opera. He is a member of the Music Critics Association of North America (mcana.org) and lives in Portland, Oregon with his wife, Kathy.